The Armed-M

January 1999

*From - www.worldnetdaily.com
ARMED AND DANGEROUS - The military's new cowboys?
Heightened concerns about Night Stalkers, Delta Force

*Note - In the article below the term FLIR stands for "Forward Looking Infra-Red"
The FLIRS are infra-red films which enable you to see action in the dark.

By David M. Bresnahan 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

This is part one of a series of articles about the controversial elite Night Stalkers and the Delta Force, the U.S. military forces involved in recent controversial exercises in Texas. Interviews have been conducted by WorldNetDaily with numerous current and former members of the group, other military personnel, and others knowledgeable about their activities. Some sources in the series will be on the record, and some will not be able to be disclosed.

A secret military organization took part in the raid at Waco, Texas, and has been training in civilian areas using live fire. It often ventures into civilian areas without permission from local authorities, according to a former member. The Combat Applications Group is the secret organization within the Special Operations Command operating out of several military bases.

"Presidential Decision Directive 25 is the authority given to them to operate and to be not covered by posse comitatus. This is the Delta Force. It's also known as the CAG (Combat Applications Group). That's a cover name for their organization behind the fence at Ft. Bragg, (North Carolina)," explained a former Special Forces member who spoke to WorldNetDaily on condition of anonymity.

PDD 25 has been classified as top secret. All that is available to the public is an executive summary. Details of the document will be detailed in another article in this series. Members of the elite Delta Force and Night Stalkers are carefully selected and screened from Special Forces and other groups in all branches of the military. The CAG is primarily run by the Rangers, according to a source, who has many years of experience with both the group, and with clandestine operations.

The Night Stalkers are actually the 106th Special Operations Aviation Regiment Airborne. Their job is to transport Delta Force troops to an area for a mission, then retrieve them. They are experts at flying black-painted helicopters just over treetops in the dark of night using special night vision equipment. Their motto is "Death waits in the dark." They wear emblems that combine Greek mythology and occult symbols.

"And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him .to kill with sword and with hunger, and with death," reads the Night Stalkers creed, taken from Revelation 6:8 in the Bible. The Night Stalkers have a website filled with occult symbols of death, Greek mythical symbols, and writings mocking the creation story of the Bible, among many references to killing and death. It is no wonder why so many military members have expressed concern over this group.

A source confirmed the Night Stalkers and Delta Force were involved in the raid at Waco. They considered it a great opportunity for training and experience. Delta Force soldiers are handpicked and are trained killers. They are expert at rescuing hostages, SWAT operations and surprise raids to kill an enemy.

"Yes indeed, these are the same people that were at the back of the (Waco) compound -- not the FBI HRT (Hostage Rescue Team). They were at the back of the compound at Waco and were shooting the people coming out. I did see the FLIRS (special films) at SOCOM (Special Operations Command). The HRT is a clone of them. They work very closely with the HRT," explained a knowledgeable source who requested anonymity. The equipment used by the FBI HRT is identical to that used by the Delta Force. Whenever an HRT deploys, they use the Night Stalkers to get them in and out. The Night Stalkers and Delta Force were recently confirmed to be involved in Operation Last Dance, conducting live-fire raids on sites in civilian areas in parts of Texas. Army public affairs officers claim the civilian sites are used because the elite forces get bored using military bases for training.

"In a manner to justify their fairly large budget, they have been performing these exercises. Not that they just get bored. It's political empire type things. Pretty vainly in some respects. In order to justify their budgets, and in order to keep them alive," said one source. The Night Stalkers left Texas ready to plan similar exercises in some other unsuspecting U.S. neighborhood. They left behind a storm of controversy and frightened residents who have not stopped complaining. Some are even planning legal action. "They usually pay for all their damage by the way. They have a bag person there, and they usually pay for all their damage with cash. You just make a claim to them and they pay you off right there on the spot," claimed the source.

City officials in Kingsville, Texas, where Operation Last Dance began, confirm that the Army Special Forces Command from Fort Bragg, North Carolina, has paid for the destruction of one building and the heavy damage to another. Some military sources, too, are concerned with the way the CAG has evolved, and he is very concerned about the way the group has been granted authority to do just about anything with total immunity from the law, including the Posse Comitatus Act. "They will follow and do whatever the president tells them to do. In that regard, they are somewhat dangerous," said one source of his concerns about PDD 25. He claims the CAG forces were used by the FBI in the raid at Waco. He said he was repulsed when he personally observed films of the raid, known as FLIRS, in the U.S. SOCOM offices. Others watching were not affected in the same way.

"They (Delta Force) were shooting people who were coming out of the building," the source described. He said they considered Waco an opportunity for training. "Everything is training for them. You train like you fight and you fight like you train. There's very little distinction between the two," he said. The Delta Force wore the same black SWAT-style uniform as the FBI HRT agents, with the exception of a small insignia. "The U.S. SOCOM released them and then they were under the direct control of the Department of Justice," explained the source. "Their orders did not come from U.S. SOCOM."

"I saw those FLIRS right after the action. There was no gasping, or anything like that, which I found to be somewhat repugnant." "That's why I wanted to make a distinction between them (CAG) and the Special Forces, because the real Special Forces are really not into that activity of going in and rousting up people or hostage rescue. Special Forces still has a special operations mission, of course. They do fall under the posse comitatus act. They do not work here in the United States."

"There's the white side and the black side. Special Forces are generally on the white side and the CAG is on the black side," he explained. This source is not a fan of Delta Force. He doesn't like the way it operates, the character of the people involved, or their commander-in-chief, President Bill Clinton. He says the Delta Force is made up of programmed soldiers who don't think for themselves. "Delta Force is particularly screened. That's why they don't have many Special Forces people in there. Typically they are Rangers who are less thoughtful about what they are required to do and will fire when ordered to. Whereas the regular Special Forces guy is trained to think. He knows difference between a lawful order and an unlawful order.

"If they are told to shoot somebody they will shoot them, you know, without question," claims the source. He says the Delta Force operations taking place around the country will continue because they are trying to create a need for their organization, and thereby justify their existence. He also says the actions at Ruby Ridge and Waco were also a test to see if the American public would tolerate such actions.

"We failed a test with Ruby Ridge and Waco. The American people failed miserably. These were obvious tests, in a manner of speaking. They wanted to see how the American people would react to this thing. Why in the world would you attack somebody like David Koresh? I mean with the forces that they did," he lamented. Former Night Stalker, Sgt. Jeff Norgrove, a crew chief on one of the controversial black helicopters, confirmed what the source disclosed. He said live-fire exercises have taken place for many years and are on the increase. He also claims exercises often take place over U.S. cities with no permission from any local authorities.

The use of live fire in civilian areas during secret military training exercises is not that uncommon, according to a former Night Stalker. Such exercises are conducted in cities that give permission, and in others that have not been consulted in advance. Sgt. Jeff Norgrove was a crew chief on board a Night Stalker helicopter. He served in Somalia supporting the Rangers, in Honduras with the Delta Force, and in other areas. He is well acquainted with the training and activities of the elite 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment Airborne -- the Night Stalkers. Norgrove added his confirmation that black helicopters do exist and have been flying around U.S. cities on training missions for years. WorldNetDaily has previously reported that Army public affairs officers have also confirmed such reports.

"If you go up to them real close, it's almost like a 20 grit sandpaper paint job they have," explained Norgrove about the special black paint used. He said the helicopters fly low over trees at night to avoid detection by ground radar systems. They also utilize special forward-looking infrared night guidance systems and night vision equipment. "We used to do a lot of that down in Savanna, (Georgia) with the Rangers. Then I got transferred up to Fort Bragg, (North Carolina) and that's when things got a little hairy," Norgrove told WorldNetDaily about his training in civilian areas.

"One of the reasons they really got kicking was after Panama when they went in to get Noriega," said Norgrove. "It was a total disaster. Everywhere we landed there was nothing there or we were already sold out ahead of time. "All the soldiers were dating Panamanians, so they were tipped off that we were coming. So they learned valuable lessons with that, and also third platoon got caught up in Somalia. That's why they really started training heavy in (urban areas)."

Norgrove says his years in the Night Stalkers were actually fun and exciting. He achieved his boyhood dream after first attending a military prep school. Getting accepted to the elite group is quite an honor. Many apply for the opportunity, but only the very best are selected. "It beats sitting in an office, and the money was good because you get the hazard duty pay, combat pay, and all the flight pay. But after I got out that's when I started to actually get opened up to what's actually happening. That's when I started to question a lot of things," Norgrove explained. He says the average Night Stalker is between 20 and 22. He is inexperienced, single and loves to party. Duty with the Night Stalkers appeals to many young men who are easily influenced and manipulated; the money they make pays for their good times.

The typical Night Stalker is a cut above the average guy in the military. He is extremely well fit, intelligent, a good learner, doesn't question authority, and has been proven in previous military experience. It is not easy to become a Night Stalker, and it is even tougher to remain one. Once selected, soldiers begin a whole new series of training that never ends. Survival, resistance, and escape training are an important aspect of what is taught. Extensive weapons training, ground tactics, and flight training are all major components of the skills that are learned.

Although Night Stalkers are primarily a form of air taxi for Rangers and Delta Force soldiers to get them to their mission, they must also learn ground skills in case they ever find themselves on the ground in unfriendly territory. "You'd learn ground tactics in case your helicopter was shot down. Just like in Somalia where the aircrew had to hold out with the Rangers there. You go through rappelling drills so when people are actually rappelling out of your chopper you know exactly what they're doing and they know what you're doing. Kind of a cross training type of thing," described Norgrove.

Night Stalkers recently carried Delta Force soldiers in and out of numerous towns in Texas for various training exercises over a two-week period. Operation Last Dance brought controversy when reports in WorldNetDaily were confirmed that live fire was used in civilian areas. One building was nearly destroyed, and significant damage was done to another in the little town of Kingsville. Residents, who were not warned of the event, were reported to be extremely frightened. A retirement home only a few hundred feet from the exercise, reported many elderly people were fearful that the world was coming to an end and were under beds crying. The sound of machine gun fire and explosives continued for two hours. The Kingsville mayor, city manager, and police chief had given advance permission to the Army for the exercise in their town. They say they were sworn to secrecy and couldn't tell anyone.

Some Night Stalker training exercises are conducted over U.S. cities without permission from local officials. The goal of such exercises is often to see how far they can go without being detected. Many civilians have faced ridicule over the years for reporting black helicopters coming out of nowhere and disappearing into the night. Such sightings were Night Stalkers on training missions, and the people who reported them should not be labeled as extremists or wackos, according to Norgrove.

Night Stalkers often are sent on missions directly into cities to see how far they can get before someone calls 911. They monitor police frequencies and listen for when a complaint comes in. When they are reported to local police they abort the mission. "During your briefings you're given your mission. You go to the coordinates you're supposed to go to, and then usually about that time, you've been had. That's when everything goes out the window. You can either abort on the commander's decision, or even if the crew chief saw something," he explained.

The Night Stalker website http://www.nightstalkers.com has many references to killing and death. It also uses mythology and occult symbols. There is a description of the creation of a Night Stalker, written as if it were from the Bible in a mocking fashion. Their creed is also taken from the book of Revelation and speaks of killing and death. Norgrove says there is no question about the warped minds of some of the members of the Army's elite Night Stalkers. He said that he regards the website as scary, and that some members have a preoccupation with death and killing. "You go out to the bar or something. Some of those guys weren't the kind of guys you'd want to see drunk," Norgrove stated. "We had our share of psychos like any other unit," he stated. "No baby killers or anything like that, but like I said there were people you wouldn't want to hang out with. They would get the swelled head and think they are better than anybody else. That type of attitude."

He described some of the members of Delta Force in the same way. "I used to joke with a bunch with them (Delta Force), because we used to drink with them and things like that. I always called them the dollar short and the day late bunch, because a lot of their missions haven't gone too well. "They're still trying to live down the Desert One that happened in Iran. You know, that was their first mission. Then when they went into Panama looking for Noriega they bungled that one. Somalia was a bungle," he related.

Norgrove is concerned about the possibility that Night Stalkers and Delta Force soldiers might one day be sent on a mission to fight American citizens. "If it were to ever come down to and actual weapons confiscation scenario, I don't know if I could honestly tell if they would do it or not. I would probably say that 60 percent of them would not do it, because they're well versed about why they're there -- for the Constitution and for domestic and foreign things," he explained.

But would they fire on American civilians? "You know what, I would probably guess some of the younger ones would, especially some that are coming out now. Now, when I was in we were pretty rock-steady. We realized what we were there to do was to fight terrorism and outside threats. When we would train in the cities themselves we realized this was training for when we were put elsewhere. That was spelled out to us then. It wouldn't surprise me at all if people took that attitude now. Things have changed quite a bit in the past six or seven years," explained Norgrove. He confirmed that he participated in exercises in which live rounds were used on a number of training missions in U.S. cities. "Now I don't condone that. Especially in a city setting, or even in a rural setting," he commented.

To date, there have been no reports of frightened civilians shooting at the unmarked, black helicopters, or at the equally unidentifiable soldiers. Norgrove thinks the time may soon some when such an incident will occur. "When I was in, we didn't have that concern, but with the rise of the militia thing, that's got to be a concern. It's in the mission statement. The order for that was not to return fire. When that would happen you just have to report it in and let the local police handle it, if they knew what you were doing. Not all the time did the local police know what you were doing," he remarked.

The Army Special Operations public affairs office from Fort Bragg, North Carolina confirmed Norgrove's claim. Soldiers are under orders not to return fire from civilians while on secret training missions. "Like I said, those helicopters would monitor the local radio signals and tell you when you had to get the heck out of there. That was just a practice. Like in Panama when the Panamanian defense forces showed up and they had to bail out. Same principle. You have to get out quick," explained Norgrove. Being shot at would just give them practice for getting out quick.

Although he had not participated in a training exercise with a scenario to go in and confiscate firearms, Norgrove said he knew of one that was planned but not carried out. His unit was to go to a warehouse filled with arms and destroy it. They were never able to carry out that exercise because a suitable warehouse could not be found. Operation Last Dance may have carried out that mission in Kingsville, Texas. One official in Kingsville believes the exercise in his town, said to be top secret, was really to practice weapons confiscation. That man is the emergency management coordinator, Tomas Sanchez. He is a highly decorated Navy veteran, wounded in Vietnam and retired after 30 years of service. He now continues to serve as the head of the military police unit of the Texas State Guard. "I'm sure that if there was an incident, and a SWAT team needed them (Delta Force), the military (Night Stalkers) would fly them in. Depending on the situation, you don't always agree with it, but sometimes there's things you can't do anything about," stated Norgrove.

The Night Stalkers got their name from their ability to fly at night. They turn off all the lights on their helicopters, use night vision equipment, and somehow manage to fly only feet about the treetops without getting killed -- most of the time. Accidents do happen however. "They had to pay for all the damage because there are accidents, especially with the night training," said Norgrove. "With the night vision systems we would also test a lot of new equipment. The problems we would have would be midair collisions. Things of that sort. "You know, night vision really isn't very good. I wouldn't recommend it for flying whatsoever," he added.

One of the eight helicopters used in Kingsville avoided a disaster when it hit the top of a telephone pole at high speed coming into the city. The pole cause a fire only a few feet from a private home. "If I were them I wouldn't talk about the mission either," Norgrove said of military secrecy surrounding the exercise. "Each one is a different scenario. Some people can take that out of context."

Norgrove said he believed stories about Night Stalkers and Delta Force involved in the FBI assault on the David Koresh group in Waco, Texas. He was not there and did not know any details. "We didn't like working with government agencies too much. Like DEA and things like that. That usually was a bad deal. When we were in Columbia giving air support to DEA, we'd go into coke fields and everything was vacant. They were tipped off. So we didn't like that too much either. Too many leaks in the system," he said.

Despite public objections, Norgrove defends the use of live fire training exercises in public areas. He qualifies his response with requirements of safety and professionalism in planning. "If you have a safe environment to actually fire in, and you know your backstops, and you know the bullets aren't going to over-penetrate, I don't have a problem with people doing that. If you're not sure of an area, like landing in a city and tearing up a warehouse and not caring where everything goes, well, then I have a problem with it," he described.

Norgrove adds justification for the training operations in public areas by pointing to reports that the terrorist threat to America is increasing all the time. There is a real threat that chemical or biological weapons may soon be used in a U.S. city. There is a somewhat lesser threat that a nuclear bomb may be carried into a city and detonated, according to Norgrove. He says he would not be surprised to see more and more operations like Last Dance to prepare for battle with terrorists on the streets of American cities.

Sgt. Norgrove was a member of Alpha Company of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment Airborne, stationed at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, where he was a crew chief. One of the reasons he retired from the Army was discontent over the policies of Commander in Chief Bill Clinton. "Like everybody else, it was time to go," said Norgrove.

This is the last of a three-part series of articles about the controversial elite Night Stalkers and the Delta Force. Interviews have been conducted by WorldNetDaily with numerous current and former members of the group, other military personnel, and others. Some sources in the series will be on the record, and some will not be able to be disclosed. All were checked and verified to be certain they are who they claim to be, and that they are in a position to know the information they have disclosed.

The U.S. military is preparing for the threat of terrorist attacks in U.S. cities as well as problems associated with the Y2K computer bug that could provide cover for foreign and domestic enemies to strike at critical infrastructure, according to high-ranking and knowledgeable sources. A former member of U.S. Special Forces, who has also been involved in many intelligence operations of the Central Intelligence Agency, FBI, Internal revenue Service and others, is concerned about the threats and how the military might respond. "Last year in the February time frame, we had two teams of special operators in Afghanistan who were right on top of Osama Bin Laden. We could have taken him out any time we were given the word, but the president would not allow it," the source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told WorldNetDaily. "He didn't have the guts, or the will, or the reason to do it. Then he pulls this stunt sending those missiles over there," he complained. The Special Forces source believes the U.S. attacks in August 1998 on what President Clinton called known terrorist facilities in Afghanistan and Sudan were a major mistake.

The U.S. informed the Pakistan government of plans to fire missiles through their air space. The source says that mistake tipped off Bin Laden. "The guy who sits on the right hand of the Pakistani president is the head of Pakistani intelligence who has on his right hand Osama Bin Laden. I mean that was the dumbest thing. "The whole thing has been a debacle. It's destroying our military," explained the source.

The missile attack on what Clinton said was a chemical weapons plant in Sudan turned out to be nothing more than a pharmaceutical plant containing no evidence of chemical weapons. The attack has triggered an international lawsuit by the Saudi owner of the plant. Meanwhile, the simultaneous attack on a site in Afghanistan where Clinton claimed Bin Laden was training hundreds of terrorist soldiers was a failure because Bin Laden and his troops were not there. Following the attacks, newspapers in London and Jerusalem reported the interception of a fax memo sent by Bin Laden to his troops in hidden locations around the world. The message told them to find ways to disrupt banking, air traffic, ocean traffic, and telephone communications. They were told to await orders to carry out the plan. The source believes terrorists, like Bin Laden, may have plans to take advantage of Y2K computer bug disruptions to inflict damage on the U.S.

A former Air Force pilot who now programs missiles at a defense contractor, the very missiles that were used in Afghanistan and Sudan, says something strange happened that escaped attention from the press. Very little mention was made about missiles that landed in Pakistan during the attack on the pharmaceutical plant in Sudan. Another source claims the story given by the White House that the missiles missed their target is completely false. "They didn't miss their target. They missed the whole country," he said. "Those missiles went to the target they were programmed to go to. They landed intact. They were not designed to blow up."

He claims the missiles contained the latest top-secret surveillance technology and were not designed to blow up. "The normal procedure is to recover lost assets, particularly top-secret technology," the source explained. "No attempt was made at recovery." He claims the missiles were recovered by Israel and sold to China. "The Israelis have been providing technology to the Chinese as fast as they possibly can," the Special Forces source confirmed. He says the Chinese are well-equipped, thanks to the Israelis. Other recent press reports have contained similar claims of Israel helping China. "The Chinese are our real mortal enemies. We really have to keep on top of that," he said.

He is also concerned about other potential enemies, and plans they are making plans to take advantage of the U.S. when Y2K computer bugs diminish our defenses. He pointed to North Korea as another major threat and concern. The threat of a terrorist strike within the U.S. is very real, and weakness because of Y2K (perceived or real) will provide the opportunity many different forces may belooking for. Bin Laden is known to be planning strategic attacks that may come at the start of the new year.

Sam Cohen, one of the architects of the neutron bomb, is now retired and has been sounding the word of warning for many years. He claims that terrorists could carry a small nuclear device into populated areas and detonate it with no warning. A former Russian intelligence agency official also warned that the U.S. is in danger of nuclear attack from "suitcase bombs" in the hands of terrorists. Col. Stanislav Lunev was kept from the press and the public, and concealed under a black shroud when he was brought secretly to meet with the House National Security Committee Aug. 4, 1998. Lunev, once a Russian spy, is now living in the U.S. under protection as a defector. He claims Russia had the small nuclear devices described by Cohen. He said it was his job to devise a plan of attack against the U.S. using the hand-carried bombs. Lunev says over 80 of the bombs are now missing. It is believed the devices were sold on the black market to a terrorist organization.

"There's no doubt in my mind that they have been sold to a terrorist with a big bank account," said Cohen. "There's no doubt in my mind that the warheads have been around in the U.S." Cohen stated that he believes terrorists have the bombs and are stationed in many parts of America just waiting for the orders to detonate them.

Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-UT, also believes terrorist attacks within the U.S. are inevitable. "I know how these terrorists think, and if they think they just have to duck for one attack, I fear they will retaliate with greater vengeance," said Hatch about the attack on Afghanistan and Sudan.

An intelligence community source confirmed to WorldNetDaily that a major investigation has been underway for some time into the means by which terrorists have been able to gain funding. That investigation is still under way and involves fraudulent loans and a money-laundering scheme. Terrorists may find themselves dealing with more force than they expect if they use nuclear weapons. A 1996 Joint Chiefs of Staff document is very revealing. The use of limited tactical nuclear weapons against terrorists by the U.S. is a possibility.

Joint Publication 3-12.1, ``Doctrine for Joint Theater Nuclear Operation,'' dated Feb. 9, 1996, details the planning, deployment and use of theater nuclear weapons. "Enemy combat forces and facilities that may be likely targets for nuclear strikes include WMD (weapons of mass destruction) and their delivery systems, ground combat units, air defense facilities, naval installations, combat vessels, non-state actors, and underground facilities,'' the document states in its opening summary. "Non-state actors" would include terrorist groups that are not directly affiliated with or a part of a particular country or government, according to the source. "It's only a matter of when," said Cohen, who says nuclear terrorism is part of our future.

The Special Forces source is not only concerned about threats to U.S. security from terrorists, he is also concerned about problems within our own military. He has pointed to an increase in live-fire training exercises by the Night Stalkers and Delta Force as an example of a dangerous change in plans for potential use of the military as a domestic police force. He also expressed concern about foreign troops stationed in the U.S., joint training of U.S. and foreign troops within the elite Delta Force, and foreign soldiers working for the U.S. military.

"There are cooperative agreements to help set them up. It's not unusual to expect a convergence between a Delta training mission and a foreign government inserting some of their forces into that training," he said. "We have exchange officers. Delta does this. We train our people in their services just as they train their people in our services. We have Venezuelan special forces, active duty officers that are in the U.S. ArmySpecial Forces. They are exchange officers. Just like we send our officers to Venezuela, they send their officers up to Fort Bragg. They work there just like a regular U.S. Special Forces officer."

He says he wants the public to know what is going on. "Look. All the bad guys know all of this. Why shouldn't the American citizens know this. I'm not disclosing anything that's a national defense secret that would be injurious to the United States of America or its Constitution. I am a constitutionalist. A strict constitutionalist, and you'll find that most Special Forces people are like that. Some of the activities of the Delta Force have besmirched the honor, integrity, and the reputation of the Army Special Forces. I don't like that. We don't believe in firing upon our own people and killing innocent women and children as they escape from a burning building and dozing them back in there."

This source claims he has witnessed military film evidence showing Delta Force members shooting civilians trying to escape out the back door of the burning compound at Waco, Texas. The source is concerned that the military is planning to take action against citizen militias in the near future. He is not a member of a militia, nor does he endorse their actions, but he does not believe the government should be plotting against them. "I think they (militias) are ill-advised, but their hearts are probably in the right place in many cases," he said. He claims the FBI has infiltrated virtually all militia units throughout the country. "We do know, from my own work, that a lot of them are agents provocateur.

The risk associated with being involved with a citizen militia is very high, from the standpoint of getting rolled up if there is an attempt by any part of the federal government to usurp them." The recent training exercise, Operation Last Dance, was thought to be practice for an actual mission to attack a group of people who refused to turn in their guns when ordered to do so. The Special Forces source revealed that the FBI has been engaged in a major effort to identify and catalog all militia members. FBI special agents have been brought into the northwest particularly. "This is a special op (operation) where they've been drawing people out of other field offices and bringing them up there because they're not known, or anything like that. Very senior operatives as well. This is a special, high priority issue," he said. He says there is no question that some militia members, and some militia leaders, are criminals and are engaged in very dangerous activities.

He also claims that many innocent, well-meaning Americans have been caught up in militia activities without realizing the danger they are in. "I don't want to see them (militias) victimized. There are some radical groups out there that have tried to do some really radical bad things. If they're criminal they should be dealt with, but I don't want to see innocent people rolled up simply because they want to exercise their rights," he said. He says the government raids on Ruby Ridge and Waco were tests to determine whether the American people would tolerate the use of military in a domestic police action. "The American people failed miserably," he said

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